Related to the “felicia day” war going on here

Yo. Whoever’s hating me because they think I’m a woman hating sexy women is really stupid and didn’t care to read everything I wrote on here.

I’m a straight dude in a straight relationship with a sexy woman myself. My point is that I love my girlfriend when she wakes up in the morning and looks tired as hell. My point is that the media women should not always have to look “their best”, and “their best” should definitely not involve make-up and photoshop.

All of you feminists who’re angry at me because you think I’m a jealous woman… I think you should reconsider your position. You try to be all-righteous saying “All women should support all women” and yet there you are dissing girls who can’t manage to love themselves because of the society’s ridiculous standards… well actually you’ve been dissing a guy who’s trying to help women, but that just proves my point: you didn’t actually read my points, and ended up complaining for nothing. You really aren’t helping yourselves, you know.

So, basically, you self-proclaimed feminists are saying it’s okay that the industry & the medias use women as bodies, physical objects, to attract attention & make money; that it’s okay for photoshop magicians to modify your flawed faces so you look better on a screen than in your actual real life. (Note I’m using “flawed” here, being perfectly aware that nobody’s perfect and we should accept if not embrace the way we are instead of concealing it)

You’re saying it’s okay that most if not all men out there think and say to you:
"Why, you look very good with your face covered like that."
and “I like you, but every star is so much hotter than you.”
and “Women need big breasts & round hips to be important”…

Well my friends, that’s what the all-american medias say to you. And if you can’t see that, well you’re very, very weak feminists.

*yawn* and I just woke up, too… my poor brain can barely form accurate sentences right now… Damn you, tumblr addiction. 

meadowlakest:

vashyron:

Why hello there, miss low-self-esteem “loser” gamer desperately trying to live her life the best she can with what she’s got. I see you found what exactly you need to use in order to be successful there.
I’ve just watched the first episode of dragon age redemption by machinima, and it will be my last. This all-american typical action series is exactly what I expected it to be. Felicia Day, well known for writing, directing & starring in her own webseries The Guild, used to have my respect because she became famous by incarnating a somewhat realistic young woman with lots of issues that could be caused by the media industry; such as low self-esteem, seclusion, no social capabilities whatsoever, etc. Although The Guild is intended to be funny, and it is, it still deserves praise for exposing how people can be insecure for many reasons in today’s society. I liked it because I could relate to it.
Miss Day, however, doesn’t appear to understand her own series the same way I did since she has now sold herself (and her breasts apparently) to a hollywood-style production depicting “perfect” people with “perfect” faces and bodies fighting & winning against ugly asses, all the while stating clever quotes at inadequate moments & bending down to expose cleavages at every given opportunity. Well, you’ve done it, Felicia. Now you’re on the other side. You’ll be the cause of some real women in their real lives who don’t have the means to look photoshopped and have enough self-respect not to expose their breasts when they desperately try to be loved ending up being tossed aside for whoever looks the most like a fantasy “babe”.
It may seem like I’m exaggerating, and I certainly would be if I said that she is the one and only reason why women have low self esteem. But that’s not the point. The point is that she is now one of the billion reasons why, and I feel like it’s about goddamn time something is done about it. Jesus fuck. If I passed by some okay-looking & slightly round female-genie who’d offer me one wish, I think I’d ask her to put an end to the industry’s plague on mankind’s perception of both physical and psychological beauty.
Hey, hey Felicia. Hey, please hear me out…You don’t NEED make-up & boobs to beat up some bandits on the road.

For a feminist, you have no problem cutting down other women with a machete. I understand your sentiment, but you have over simplified a terribly complicated discussion. And honestly? You are doing a disservice to the fight, and nothing terribly productive. Female empowerment, does not mean isolating and punishing sexuality. And even this “sexuality” you are assuming she has given into, doesn’t mean she has thrown everything away to the jaws of consumerism. So Felicia isn’t a little chunky, and she has a pretty face. I’m not 100lbs with flawless skin, but I still believe I related immensely with her. Felicia is a strong female role model, who is not afraid to be who she is. She isn’t afraid to show herself, even if a little of it is contradictory because that is what makes human beings. I’m proud of the job she is doing, and the way she is going about it. Felicia is a trailblazer and helping women feel more comfortable with themselves. Throwing on leather and putting a little blush on, for an acting role hardly qualifies her as a harlot and traitor. The script has made Tallis a strong character, with depth even if the complaints of Mary Sue are flying around. We have this frustrating Virgin or Whore black vortex that goes on in which women cannot be both at the same time… when real life, real choice, real feminism lay in the chasm between. Taking back a woman’s sexuality and owning it, is an empowerment of it’s own. But honestly? I don’t even think that applies to the situation, because I don’t see what the hubbub about a woman playing an acting role in a fantasy realm is about.
But as a gamer, as a girl gamer and as a feminist — I cannot stomach the  umpteenth post that complains about her physical appearance. Whether  you dog her for being too good looking that it alienates her from female  gamers, or the people who actually think she’s a dog. I always find it  disgusting, when girls hate other girls on their looks. We are divided  enough as it is in society, so why are we doing that within our own  guilds? It’s upsetting and disheartening to watch people negate a  person’s whole career on the crap that gets written.
This whole thing isn’t new. We’ve had the same dogged inner squablings about Jane Fonda and Gloria Steinem and sadly it will always be this way? One of the biggest things holding women back…. Other women. Read up on some of the great feminist writers, read up on the rights of women, all women. I think you’d really be surprised at how big and complicated the issue is, and you might be more eager to learn about it! :) Let’s rally about Women doing it for themselves, lets love women who are trailblazing, let’s love all our kind and be supportive. If we don’t love ourselves as a gender, how are we going to be expected to stand united against the society that is content at keeping us second class.
sb! I have a degree in Women & Gender Studies.

Please read what followed. http://vashyron.tumblr.com/post/11988504002/hayleyalice-firstly-i-respect-your-opinion-for
Please don’t support your arguments with .gif images.
Please understand and re-read if necessary that my grudge is NOT against thin girls, and especially NOT against Felicia Day herself; it’s against the idea that MAIN CHARACTERS from most if not all TV shows, movies, video games, and pictures on advertisements, magazines, anything related to the medias use photoshopped and often half-naked versions of “perfect” women, thus directly affecting people’s perception of beauty.
If there was some sort of balance, and if we stopped modifying our natural appearances for the sake of marketing, everything would be fine. Don’t assume I hate every “good” looking women, don’t assume I want everyone to be prude; I just don’t want these things to be mandatory in the medias; or in real life per say.
Now, good for you you have a degree on women & gender studies. Good for you if you had no problem growing up as part of a fake plastic system. That doesn’t mean nobody else has problems with it.

meadowlakest:

vashyron:

Why hello there, miss low-self-esteem “loser” gamer desperately trying to live her life the best she can with what she’s got. I see you found what exactly you need to use in order to be successful there.

I’ve just watched the first episode of dragon age redemption by machinima, and it will be my last. This all-american typical action series is exactly what I expected it to be. Felicia Day, well known for writing, directing & starring in her own webseries The Guild, used to have my respect because she became famous by incarnating a somewhat realistic young woman with lots of issues that could be caused by the media industry; such as low self-esteem, seclusion, no social capabilities whatsoever, etc. Although The Guild is intended to be funny, and it is, it still deserves praise for exposing how people can be insecure for many reasons in today’s society. I liked it because I could relate to it.

Miss Day, however, doesn’t appear to understand her own series the same way I did since she has now sold herself (and her breasts apparently) to a hollywood-style production depicting “perfect” people with “perfect” faces and bodies fighting & winning against ugly asses, all the while stating clever quotes at inadequate moments & bending down to expose cleavages at every given opportunity. Well, you’ve done it, Felicia. Now you’re on the other side. You’ll be the cause of some real women in their real lives who don’t have the means to look photoshopped and have enough self-respect not to expose their breasts when they desperately try to be loved ending up being tossed aside for whoever looks the most like a fantasy “babe”.

It may seem like I’m exaggerating, and I certainly would be if I said that she is the one and only reason why women have low self esteem. But that’s not the point. The point is that she is now one of the billion reasons why, and I feel like it’s about goddamn time something is done about it. Jesus fuck. If I passed by some okay-looking & slightly round female-genie who’d offer me one wish, I think I’d ask her to put an end to the industry’s plague on mankind’s perception of both physical and psychological beauty.

Hey, hey Felicia. Hey, please hear me out…
You don’t NEED make-up & boobs to beat up some bandits on the road.

For a feminist, you have no problem cutting down other women with a machete. I understand your sentiment, but you have over simplified a terribly complicated discussion. And honestly? You are doing a disservice to the fight, and nothing terribly productive. Female empowerment, does not mean isolating and punishing sexuality. And even this “sexuality” you are assuming she has given into, doesn’t mean she has thrown everything away to the jaws of consumerism. So Felicia isn’t a little chunky, and she has a pretty face. I’m not 100lbs with flawless skin, but I still believe I related immensely with her. Felicia is a strong female role model, who is not afraid to be who she is. She isn’t afraid to show herself, even if a little of it is contradictory because that is what makes human beings. I’m proud of the job she is doing, and the way she is going about it. Felicia is a trailblazer and helping women feel more comfortable with themselves. Throwing on leather and putting a little blush on, for an acting role hardly qualifies her as a harlot and traitor. The script has made Tallis a strong character, with depth even if the complaints of Mary Sue are flying around. We have this frustrating Virgin or Whore black vortex that goes on in which women cannot be both at the same time… when real life, real choice, real feminism lay in the chasm between. Taking back a woman’s sexuality and owning it, is an empowerment of it’s own. But honestly? I don’t even think that applies to the situation, because I don’t see what the hubbub about a woman playing an acting role in a fantasy realm is about.

But as a gamer, as a girl gamer and as a feminist — I cannot stomach the umpteenth post that complains about her physical appearance. Whether you dog her for being too good looking that it alienates her from female gamers, or the people who actually think she’s a dog. I always find it disgusting, when girls hate other girls on their looks. We are divided enough as it is in society, so why are we doing that within our own guilds? It’s upsetting and disheartening to watch people negate a person’s whole career on the crap that gets written.

This whole thing isn’t new. We’ve had the same dogged inner squablings about Jane Fonda and Gloria Steinem and sadly it will always be this way? One of the biggest things holding women back…. Other women. Read up on some of the great feminist writers, read up on the rights of women, all women. I think you’d really be surprised at how big and complicated the issue is, and you might be more eager to learn about it! :) Let’s rally about Women doing it for themselves, lets love women who are trailblazing, let’s love all our kind and be supportive. If we don’t love ourselves as a gender, how are we going to be expected to stand united against the society that is content at keeping us second class.

sb! I have a degree in Women & Gender Studies.

Please read what followed. http://vashyron.tumblr.com/post/11988504002/hayleyalice-firstly-i-respect-your-opinion-for

Please don’t support your arguments with .gif images.

Please understand and re-read if necessary that my grudge is NOT against thin girls, and especially NOT against Felicia Day herself; it’s against the idea that MAIN CHARACTERS from most if not all TV shows, movies, video games, and pictures on advertisements, magazines, anything related to the medias use photoshopped and often half-naked versions of “perfect” women, thus directly affecting people’s perception of beauty.

If there was some sort of balance, and if we stopped modifying our natural appearances for the sake of marketing, everything would be fine. Don’t assume I hate every “good” looking women, don’t assume I want everyone to be prude; I just don’t want these things to be mandatory in the medias; or in real life per say.

Now, good for you you have a degree on women & gender studies. Good for you if you had no problem growing up as part of a fake plastic system. That doesn’t mean nobody else has problems with it.

hayleyalice:

Firstly, I respect your opinion for not liking Dragon Age Redemption as I can understand why but you’re disliking it for reasons that I cannot comprehend.
Secondly, by your logic anyone who shows any sort of cleavage is showing a lack of self respect. She’s a confident, strong woman who is comfortable with her body. She can show cleavage if she wants and, in this day and age, the amount of cleavage she does show is perfectly normal. I don’t see how she “expose cleavages at every given opportunity”.
Thirdly, I don’t see how there is any correlation between a good-looking woman beating someone not good-looking (by your standards) man in a fight and low-self esteem in women. Shouldn’t a women winning a fight against a man show the exact opposite?
Lastly, I find the comments she makes quite humorous.
Also, they did use make-up on The Guild and how can you complain about this and not the music video for The Guild “Do You Wanna Date My Avatar?”

Hello there, thank you for taking the time to write a respectful & well written reply to my not-so respectful (I admit I can be harsh sometimes) remarks. Oh, this ain’t sarcastic, I’m actually grateful you didn’t just tell me I was an idiot without saying why you’d think so.
I understand how my views can appear to be drastic & exaggerated, because in a way, you know, what’s wrong with colours & skin? Nothing, really. We all have skin and we can all enjoy feeling pretty by covering our faces with over-marketed products. Heck I used to wear make-up and waste over 45 minutes on my appearance every goddamn morning, and I’m a man.
What frustrates me is not just Felicia Day. It’s every single Hollywood production and everyone basing their tastes & creations on them. Dragon age is like that. The film industry has turned us all into superficial & vain bastards; we’re so much used to see people on screens that have been taken care of by professional make-up artists & hairstylists before every shot they take that our own perceptions of beauty are slowly but surely being altered. Men & women on adverts, in movies, in music videos, they all look their “best”; and looking their best nowadays inevitably means being covered in make-up and quite often being modified through computer softwares.
It may seem benign, and I’d understand why you’d think so if you don’t try to look beyond the screen. Something like “Yeah, okay, super stars look good, and I like to look at them because they’re pretty” sounds fine, but take an entire generation of kids growing up staring at modified super-stars for all their lives, envying them, craving to be just like them; and what do you get? You get today’s society. Young boys an girls spending tons of money & time on their appearance instead of trying to work on their personalities, people judging each other sorely on appearances, married fathers with pictures of half-naked stars on their computer’s screensavers, “musicians” that are only popular because they’ve exposed themselves, or are cute… etc.
Now about the cleavage, I know my opinion appears to be a one-way and I’d just hate every single woman exposing any, but that’s not quite true either. What I don’t like is that most if not every “strong” woman in movies, TV shows and even video games are like that. You rarely see any female ‘main character’ that isn’t a “top-model” showing as much skin as possible all the time, as if one depended on the other. The short & pudgy girl who’s trying to succeed in life cannot relate to these “strong” women on TV, because she doesn’t have their body. It makes her feel like she can’t be a main character, like she’ll have to be an extra all of her life. You think I exaggerate? That I’m paranoid? I’ve come across tons of people with self-esteem problems which are partially if not entirely caused by stuff like that. And that includes myself. (Hence why I liked The Guild) One of the extreme examples is one of my own close friends who literally gave up on ever being loved because she hates the way she looks & believes nobody could ever love her for who she is. There’s also tons of people who wouldn’t dare stepping out of their home without wearing any make-up. How messed up is that?
And I’d like to repeat it, it’s not Felicia Day I loathe per say, I’m just terribly disappointed that she’s accepted to be part of this while I believed she had at least some standards. It’s cool that she’s a woman and beats men up, yay, but she could have done it with a covered chest too, while looking fatigued and slightly dirtied up. It would have been much better.
Now about “Do you want to date my avatar?”, I actually always looked at it as a parody of pop-music videos. Put simply, I like to believe they’re mocking the genre, but I may be wrong too.
Well! That was a nice way to start a day :)Thank you for writing, I hope I explained myself properly. I don’t mean to offend anybody even though I know I do, but sometimes poking people with a pointy stick is the only way to make a point.

hayleyalice:

Firstly, I respect your opinion for not liking Dragon Age Redemption as I can understand why but you’re disliking it for reasons that I cannot comprehend.

Secondly, by your logic anyone who shows any sort of cleavage is showing a lack of self respect. She’s a confident, strong woman who is comfortable with her body. She can show cleavage if she wants and, in this day and age, the amount of cleavage she does show is perfectly normal. I don’t see how she “expose cleavages at every given opportunity”.

Thirdly, I don’t see how there is any correlation between a good-looking woman beating someone not good-looking (by your standards) man in a fight and low-self esteem in women. Shouldn’t a women winning a fight against a man show the exact opposite?

Lastly, I find the comments she makes quite humorous.

Also, they did use make-up on The Guild and how can you complain about this and not the music video for The Guild “Do You Wanna Date My Avatar?”

Hello there, thank you for taking the time to write a respectful & well written reply to my not-so respectful (I admit I can be harsh sometimes) remarks. Oh, this ain’t sarcastic, I’m actually grateful you didn’t just tell me I was an idiot without saying why you’d think so.

I understand how my views can appear to be drastic & exaggerated, because in a way, you know, what’s wrong with colours & skin? Nothing, really. We all have skin and we can all enjoy feeling pretty by covering our faces with over-marketed products. Heck I used to wear make-up and waste over 45 minutes on my appearance every goddamn morning, and I’m a man.

What frustrates me is not just Felicia Day. It’s every single Hollywood production and everyone basing their tastes & creations on them. Dragon age is like that. The film industry has turned us all into superficial & vain bastards; we’re so much used to see people on screens that have been taken care of by professional make-up artists & hairstylists before every shot they take that our own perceptions of beauty are slowly but surely being altered. Men & women on adverts, in movies, in music videos, they all look their “best”; and looking their best nowadays inevitably means being covered in make-up and quite often being modified through computer softwares.

It may seem benign, and I’d understand why you’d think so if you don’t try to look beyond the screen. Something like “Yeah, okay, super stars look good, and I like to look at them because they’re pretty” sounds fine, but take an entire generation of kids growing up staring at modified super-stars for all their lives, envying them, craving to be just like them; and what do you get? You get today’s society. Young boys an girls spending tons of money & time on their appearance instead of trying to work on their personalities, people judging each other sorely on appearances, married fathers with pictures of half-naked stars on their computer’s screensavers, “musicians” that are only popular because they’ve exposed themselves, or are cute… etc.

Now about the cleavage, I know my opinion appears to be a one-way and I’d just hate every single woman exposing any, but that’s not quite true either. What I don’t like is that most if not every “strong” woman in movies, TV shows and even video games are like that. You rarely see any female ‘main character’ that isn’t a “top-model” showing as much skin as possible all the time, as if one depended on the other. The short & pudgy girl who’s trying to succeed in life cannot relate to these “strong” women on TV, because she doesn’t have their body. It makes her feel like she can’t be a main character, like she’ll have to be an extra all of her life. You think I exaggerate? That I’m paranoid? I’ve come across tons of people with self-esteem problems which are partially if not entirely caused by stuff like that. And that includes myself. (Hence why I liked The Guild) One of the extreme examples is one of my own close friends who literally gave up on ever being loved because she hates the way she looks & believes nobody could ever love her for who she is. There’s also tons of people who wouldn’t dare stepping out of their home without wearing any make-up. How messed up is that?

And I’d like to repeat it, it’s not Felicia Day I loathe per say, I’m just terribly disappointed that she’s accepted to be part of this while I believed she had at least some standards. It’s cool that she’s a woman and beats men up, yay, but she could have done it with a covered chest too, while looking fatigued and slightly dirtied up. It would have been much better.

Now about “Do you want to date my avatar?”, I actually always looked at it as a parody of pop-music videos. Put simply, I like to believe they’re mocking the genre, but I may be wrong too.

Well! That was a nice way to start a day :)
Thank you for writing, I hope I explained myself properly. I don’t mean to offend anybody even though I know I do, but sometimes poking people with a pointy stick is the only way to make a point.

(via toomanyresets)

Why hello there, miss low-self-esteem “loser” gamer desperately trying to live her life the best she can with what she’s got. I see you found what exactly you need to use in order to be successful there.
I’ve just watched the first episode of dragon age redemption by machinima, and it will be my last. This all-american typical action series is exactly what I expected it to be. Felicia Day, well known for writing, directing & starring in her own webseries The Guild, used to have my respect because she became famous by incarnating a somewhat realistic young woman with lots of issues that could be caused by the media industry; such as low self-esteem, seclusion, no social capabilities whatsoever, etc. Although The Guild is intended to be funny, and it is, it still deserves praise for exposing how people can be insecure for many reasons in today’s society. I liked it because I could relate to it.
Miss Day, however, doesn’t appear to understand her own series the same way I did since she has now sold herself (and her breasts apparently) to a hollywood-style production depicting “perfect” people with “perfect” faces and bodies fighting & winning against ugly asses, all the while stating clever quotes at inadequate moments & bending down to expose cleavages at every given opportunity. Well, you’ve done it, Felicia. Now you’re on the other side. You’ll be the cause of some real women in their real lives who don’t have the means to look photoshopped and have enough self-respect not to expose their breasts when they desperately try to be loved ending up being tossed aside for whoever looks the most like a fantasy “babe”.
It may seem like I’m exaggerating, and I certainly would be if I said that she is the one and only reason why women have low self esteem. But that’s not the point. The point is that she is now one of the billion reasons why, and I feel like it’s about goddamn time something is done about it. Jesus fuck. If I passed by some okay-looking & slightly round female-genie who’d offer me one wish, I think I’d ask her to put an end to the industry’s plague on mankind’s perception of both physical and psychological beauty.
Hey, hey Felicia. Hey, please hear me out…You don’t NEED make-up & boobs to beat up some bandits on the road.

Why hello there, miss low-self-esteem “loser” gamer desperately trying to live her life the best she can with what she’s got. I see you found what exactly you need to use in order to be successful there.

I’ve just watched the first episode of dragon age redemption by machinima, and it will be my last. This all-american typical action series is exactly what I expected it to be. Felicia Day, well known for writing, directing & starring in her own webseries The Guild, used to have my respect because she became famous by incarnating a somewhat realistic young woman with lots of issues that could be caused by the media industry; such as low self-esteem, seclusion, no social capabilities whatsoever, etc. Although The Guild is intended to be funny, and it is, it still deserves praise for exposing how people can be insecure for many reasons in today’s society. I liked it because I could relate to it.

Miss Day, however, doesn’t appear to understand her own series the same way I did since she has now sold herself (and her breasts apparently) to a hollywood-style production depicting “perfect” people with “perfect” faces and bodies fighting & winning against ugly asses, all the while stating clever quotes at inadequate moments & bending down to expose cleavages at every given opportunity. Well, you’ve done it, Felicia. Now you’re on the other side. You’ll be the cause of some real women in their real lives who don’t have the means to look photoshopped and have enough self-respect not to expose their breasts when they desperately try to be loved ending up being tossed aside for whoever looks the most like a fantasy “babe”.

It may seem like I’m exaggerating, and I certainly would be if I said that she is the one and only reason why women have low self esteem. But that’s not the point. The point is that she is now one of the billion reasons why, and I feel like it’s about goddamn time something is done about it. Jesus fuck. If I passed by some okay-looking & slightly round female-genie who’d offer me one wish, I think I’d ask her to put an end to the industry’s plague on mankind’s perception of both physical and psychological beauty.

Hey, hey Felicia. Hey, please hear me out…
You don’t NEED make-up & boobs to beat up some bandits on the road.

kani-kani:

Felicia Day as Tallis in Dragon Age II’s upcoming Mark of the Assassin DLC.

Wow. This looks as horrible as the game itself. I guess it’s good for Felicia Day as an individual, she’s probably having fun and getting money out of it, but this still looks like a goddamn marketing scheme and puts miss Day in the “sell-out” category in my book. Furthermore, her series “The Guild” is very good, as in unique and original, but the trailer for her Dragon Age series screams “This is yet another all-american shallow and devoid of any depth action show.”
I am aware I’m giving an early judgment since the series isn’t out yet so it may turn out to be good, but the trailer does not inspire me one bit. Also, I don’t like EA Games, since they focus on industry and sales before thinking about “good game”. The proof here is quite obvious: They have game names that sell (big names in sports industry and Harry Potter, for example) and they buy other gaming companies instead of making games themselves. Also, their released games are full of bugs, which means their developers don’t care about the games’ quality; they want to release them as fast as possible and make money for less efforts.
Anyway. All of this to say: Disappointed.

kani-kani:

Felicia Day as Tallis in Dragon Age II’s upcoming Mark of the Assassin DLC.

Wow. This looks as horrible as the game itself. I guess it’s good for Felicia Day as an individual, she’s probably having fun and getting money out of it, but this still looks like a goddamn marketing scheme and puts miss Day in the “sell-out” category in my book. Furthermore, her series “The Guild” is very good, as in unique and original, but the trailer for her Dragon Age series screams “This is yet another all-american shallow and devoid of any depth action show.”

I am aware I’m giving an early judgment since the series isn’t out yet so it may turn out to be good, but the trailer does not inspire me one bit. Also, I don’t like EA Games, since they focus on industry and sales before thinking about “good game”. The proof here is quite obvious: They have game names that sell (big names in sports industry and Harry Potter, for example) and they buy other gaming companies instead of making games themselves. Also, their released games are full of bugs, which means their developers don’t care about the games’ quality; they want to release them as fast as possible and make money for less efforts.

Anyway. All of this to say: Disappointed.